<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4292515827283096802</id><updated>2012-03-16T04:04:39.332-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Gary Goodell</title><subtitle type='html'></subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://garygoodell.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4292515827283096802/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://garygoodell.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Permission is Given...</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17682724668784048485</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-6kZqm2Baf8/Sb7-2SnHk0I/AAAAAAAAABQ/eCxDQ-VJrTM/S220/garyhat.jpg'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>10</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4292515827283096802.post-1576631285466422651</id><published>2010-03-13T15:19:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-03-13T15:21:16.048-08:00</updated><title type='text'>How Shall We Then Meet?</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;When  we look closely at the different aspects and effects of certain numbers  in group life, the question gets raised as to whether or not these  understandings of numerical dynamics can actually help us gather more  intentionally.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  So rather than being frustrated with different sized groups, when we  get to know the dynamics of numbers, it is possible we can really begin  meeting more strategically. If permission has been given to do church  differently, why would we insist on meeting the same way, with the same  format, even the chairs set the same way, in the same room, basically  doing the same thing week after week?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Many are feeling significant disinterest with our basic larger weekend  gatherings called "church." Some of that sense of disconnect is not at  all about the need to gather as the church but the sheer boredom with  too many meaningless meetings built around the same old predictable  formats of the "song, sit, sermon syndrome," weekend after weekend.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    &lt;b&gt;Meetings or Gatherings?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  No matter what we do with changing the meeting format, time, place,  style, we are still called to get together. The Hebrews 10:25 mandate  is interesting in that most translations use the term "assembling  ourselves together." For me personally that was always been a put off.  The first thing that comes to mind is my old High School assemblies,  large meetings where all the students filled the bleachers and the  gymnasium floor for some special, usually boring, presentation.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  The word is actually best translated "to gather together"  (epi-sun-ag-ein). It could mean any number of people, even smaller  numbers of people. No set quota of what constitutes a gathering, simply  a gathering together.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Jesus uses the same word in talking about eagles (or vultures as some  translate) gathering around a body (Luke 17:37), and/or a mother hen  gathering her chickens under her wings (Matthew 23:37). It is hard to  see large crowds in all of these pictures, with rows of chairs and  platforms and programs. It seems more about a gathering around  something. Maybe even something more like an intimate circle.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  So, yes, we do need to gather or flock together as God's people, and  our verse in Hebrews 10 might even point us towards "more often" as we  see that Day approaching. We do need to be near each other, in  relationship with each other, and in communication with each other in  order to do and be the "one another's" so explicitly laid out  throughout the New Testament.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Sometimes in our exotic attempts to create new kinds of meetings or new  forms or new structures that will bring about that greater new place  with each other, we forget some basic principles. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Life in God, in His family, is not about meetings as much as it is  about His purposes in a meeting. It is what we are gathered around. It  is what He does when we get together, or what He wants to do in the  center of each gathering. It is about a connection not just a crowd, it  is about affection, about fidelity, a feeling of being gathered around  Him as we are gathered with each other. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    No new structure will guarantee that, but it is about whatever He has  called us to gather around.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Too often doing the same things again and again, giving into the  habitual forms of Christian conformity can become a great enemy to true  community. If we just go to the same pace and do the same things we  assume we will experience community. Not so. It could even be that  these kinds of early gatherings at the end of Acts 2 were not even  planned meetings but really people caught in the act of being unable to  stay away from each other. They just had to keep gathering around their  new found life in Christ, and all that that meant.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  We know they had a strict cultural Temple model, it shows up in the  very next chapter (Chapter 3), as the miracle happens on the way to a  certain hour of prayer at the Temple. So I am not so sure that what we  see happening in the end of Acts 2 is because of necessarily a newly  discovered agenda, a new plan, a new liturgy, a new curriculum, or a  new manual, as much as their lives were so radically changed by Jesus,  with many unable or unwilling to leave Jerusalem so they simply had to  drop in on each other as often as possible to share that wonderful new  radical life in God.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  They weren't going to house church because of somenewly designed  revelation, they weren't going anywhere, they just couldn't stay away  from each other's homes, and getting daily involved in each other's  lives. Sure, they continued to go to Synagogue or Temple for a while,  but Christianity was well on its way to becoming an unstructured  lifestyle and growing relationships together rather than some new  address to meet at.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  We need to pray for one another during these days of transition. Many  seem to echo this idea that they feel they are in what might be coming  out of a "deconstructionist zone" or even coming through a season of  "detox," concerning their prior habits of meeting or gathering with  other believers.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  In this season the Jeremiah (1:10) wrecking crew is busy "rooting out,"  "pulling down," "destroying," "throwing down," what seems old, or  antiquated, or non effective in the many ways we have gathered and  seems to bestirring up a great hunger for the for His Manifest  Presence, and a deeper, more authentic community.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  I think it feels a whole lot like the first part of the Sunday Night TV  Series "Extreme Home Makeover." You know, the part when the existing  house or structure gets demolished. The needy family is whisked off to  some exotic vacation site as they watch their old house get razed to  the ground via computer from a distant site. And then with full speed  cooperation, the hyper-construction crews begin the remodel, the  rebuild, accomplishing their task in record-breaking time.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Transition seems to always take us to extremes. Either old house or new  house, but with so much work in the middle. Kind of like church, either  fewer meetings or maybe even too many meetings.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  We seem to polarize between extremes of passive isolation, try to  survive outside the body in the "just Jesus and me phase," or in the  opposite of the frantic addiction to activities as we jet about looking  for the next watering hole, the next glory fest, the next angel filled  conference, the newest church in town, ad nausea.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  We must not become discouraged; this transition of learning to gather  differently will take some time. We are carrying a lot of institutional  baggage as we have done meetings so many certain ways for so many  years. And we don't have to just throw everything out and wing it  either. Instead we get to become even more intentional as we hear God's  voice together on how we are to now gather.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    &lt;b&gt;Predictableness or Planning?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  If we understand that we have the freedom to gather differently in this  "permissional time," it means we can experiment with more  intentionality and more direction, not less. And that we can actually  use what we have learned about different-sized, different-focused  gatherings to our advantage as well as God's advancement of His work  in us.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  We of course could choose by default to let all of our gatherings  remain stuck in the "sit, soak and sour," mode of days past, or  actually and delightfully and intentionally get God's mind and plan for  the different kinds of gatherings He wants to lead us into. He is  very willingly to work with us if we will work with Him.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  When preparing to gather, go ahead and ask some leading questions.  Where are you in your walk with God? Where are you in your  relationships with others? So, why are you going to gather with this  certain group? Where do you want God to take you, where do you want the  night to go? What are you willing to do to get there?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    Answers to these kinds of questions may help when you know what it is  you are wanting or looking for in a gathering with others.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    &lt;b&gt;When Looking For Intimacy and Friendship&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Try gathering in a smaller group. Maybe even a very small group. Maybe  3 or 4. Gender specific. With the purpose of learning to walk together  as deeply committed, trustworthy and authentic covenant friends (Amos  3:3).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Hang out with these friends in such a way that as Neil Cole (Church  Multiplication Resources) says in his simple outline, you create a  place where sin is confessed in mutual accountability, God's Word is  read repetitively in context and community, and souls are prayed for  strategically, specifically and continuously.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  This kind of intimacy and friendship takes time, and will not be the  only meeting you participate in. But it can be a very meaningful part  of your growth together with a few others. Start with an hour or each  week. over coffee, and watch it grow into spending significant quality  time together. In these smaller groups no leader is necessary, no  curriculum is necessary, no is workbook necessary and no training is  necessary. Just a willingness to grow together and to grow up!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    Neil Cole's little pamphlet about these small but powerful Life  Transformation Groups on his website.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    &lt;b&gt;When Looking For Family and Faith&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Try simple church with 5 to 15 people gathered around a full meal  enjoying the ebbs and flows of life as a family. These  cross-generational meals can include everyone, kids and all. We all  have to eat; we all enjoy each other's presence. And there during the  buzz of the family-like meal we can hear, chat, interrupt, laugh, cry  and pray together as an extended family.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    When the meeting gets too large and the family-like dynamic changes,  make necessary adjustments, and start new groups.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Do projects together, have outings together, go camping and bowling  together. Involves the kids in different ways, as you basically enjoy  an evening meal together with friends. And all of this can be highly  attractive and contagious to your pre-Christian friends and neighbors,  so keep some places at the table open for others. You just start by  scheduling a meal, inviting others to come, and watch God do the rest.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    &lt;b&gt;When Looking For Prophetic Strategy and Spiritual Warfare&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Find those spiritual warriors in your community who are fighting and  winning spiritual battles. The ones who know how to pray, how to see in  the Spirit, how to heal the sick and how to operate consistently in the  authority of the believer. Basically, if you want to have a prayer  gathering, find people who know how to pray.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  This army is growing everywhere; start asking where they meet, what  they do, and how you can share your specific and strategic needs with  them.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  These people are involved in intercessory groups; they are technicians  with the Healing Rooms. Many are covert, and by no means drawing  attention to themselves, and yet their reputations are known by the  Spirit.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  When you get together with these kinds of strategic people, the  strategies will come in the meeting. The prayer direction, the national  or international focus points. I heard of one group that watches the  news channel and then pauses it when it calls for a  strategic kinds of international praying.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    &lt;b&gt;Looking For Radical Worship and Celebration&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Just listen for the sounds; you hear them everywhere these days. From  boom boxes to huge sound systems. From iPods to finely-tuned stereos.  Sounds of war, sounds of intimacy, sounds of celebration. Thunderous  stomps over injustice, sweet, angelic melodious sounds for soaking and  contemplation. Wild and crazy sounds that send you leaping and jumping.  Romantic, and wooing sounds that have you in tears and  silence.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Gather the musicians and singers and dancers around these sounds.  Remember when David set aside the 4,000 musicians and the 288 singers  to sing before the Lord 24/7. Then take these sounds to the streets, to  the city parks, to the apartments courtyards, to the office complexes,  to the coffee houses, to the beaches and of course to the cathedrals  and chapels. Make room for the spontaneous sounds, not just the  pre-learned songs of the day.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Find your own sound that builds with the others. And then give yourself  to the full release of your sound, the participation of the instrument  that you are. It is more about the sound you carry than your  instrumental or musical talent.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    &lt;b&gt;Looking For Empowering and Equipping&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  What about walking through the Scriptures with some friends, asking  freely and openly for insight, revelation and application. Gather a  reading group around a certain agreed upon book, or listen to a CD/DVD  series and discuss it openly. Even discuss it in public places, like a  local coffee shop or a park, or the clubhouse at your apartment  complex. Watch the curious interaction with others that God can cause  in these open settings.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Gather some of your friends around someone's specific life message. A  local teacher or pastor in your community, one of the fathers and  mothers in the faith that you all know can be brought into your group  for great times of teaching and feedback and interaction.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Have several of these spontaneous gatherings to empower and equip each  other. Keep asking God what He wants to say to you, and keep listening,  as He will direct you to invite others who carry a certain timely  message for your group.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    &lt;b&gt;Whatever You Do - Do it With Friends&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Doing the Kingdom with friends is what Christ modeled for us. Life in  God is not meeting-focused, but is relationally lived. The signal most  pivotal verse in this season of my life about relationship and  connection comes from Mark 3:13,14 as Jesus called the twelve to first  be "with" Him, and then second, to "send " them. Whatever you are  called to do these days, do it with Jesus and with others.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  This is no time to be stingy with creativity; this is no time to be  boring or predictable. Do these gatherings with freedom and delight. Do  them with new meaning, with bold intention, and radical passion. And  don't wait for all of these gatherings to be planned and scheduled by  someone else, don't wait for the special announcement to make the  Sunday bulletin. Like Nike said, "Just do it."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  This is a new day of getting together. It is time to gather and pursue  deep authentic faith communities all over our region as we celebrate  our Creative Creator.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4292515827283096802-1576631285466422651?l=garygoodell.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://garygoodell.blogspot.com/feeds/1576631285466422651/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4292515827283096802&amp;postID=1576631285466422651' title='30 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4292515827283096802/posts/default/1576631285466422651'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4292515827283096802/posts/default/1576631285466422651'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://garygoodell.blogspot.com/2010/03/how-shall-we-then-meet.html' title='How Shall We Then Meet?'/><author><name>Permission is Given...</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17682724668784048485</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-6kZqm2Baf8/Sb7-2SnHk0I/AAAAAAAAABQ/eCxDQ-VJrTM/S220/garyhat.jpg'/></author><thr:total>30</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4292515827283096802.post-5757078148514203748</id><published>2010-02-06T13:53:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-02-06T13:55:09.608-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Missional House Churches, Part Two</title><content type='html'>A standing concern for us over the  recent years of emphasis on housechurching and community, is that if we  are not discerning and careful, we can get so ingrown, so addicted to  loving our intimate fellowship, that we might forget to be missional,  to go beyond us, and possibly even deftly ignore the enormity and the  timeliness of the God’s Great Commission and today’s ripe harvest.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But,  I also have the greatest of hope, that in moving towards the more  authentic living of our faith in our homes, in our neighborhoods, and  in our daily lives, we might be able to steer more effectively towards  the lost and steer away from some of the great mistakes that have been  made by believers in the past in trying to reach those who do not yet  believe.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Here’s Life America!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When  my family and I arrived in the Bay Area of Northern California over  thirty years ago, we came into the city God had called us to at a time  when the entire nation was in the throws of one of the most extensive  campaigns it had seen to date. “Here’s Life America,” was a  multi-million dollar evangelistic effort sponsored by Campus Crusade  for Christ, originally founded by Bill Bright.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was  localized in 253 major metropolitan regions of the United Sates,  involving no less than 14,500 local congregations across the country.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It  was claimed that during that crusade three-fourths of all Americans  were exposed to the campaign’s catchy slogan, “I Found It.” You could  see it on bumper stickers, billboards, and massive television  commercials everywhere.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Without question, North American  churches had joined together into what was perceived as a quantum leap  forward in the attempted evangelism of this nation.&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At  the end of the day though, when it was over, all indications were, that  whereas “Here’s Life America,” was a streaming media success, it had  proved to be a drastic evangelistic failure. As the facts of all the  empirical studies came in, it saw merely a trickle of new members  actually added to the body of Christ, with some experts concluding that  this massive effort had virtually no measurable impact on church  membership in the United States.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Motives Matter&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Somehow,  something deep, something core, something essential had been forgotten.  It was the simplest reality that when a person comes to faith, or  commits his or her life to Christ, ultimately they do so for reasons  that are important to that individual person.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The reasons  may not seem vital to that one’s family, to that one’s friends, even to  that loving friend who is endeavoring to lead that person to faith. But  the final reasons are deeply essential and critical to that individual  who decides to commit their life to becoming a follower of Jesus.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Experts  call the reasons people do things, “motives.” And because it is  generally premature to ask someone to do something unless you first  understand how he or she feels and thinks, it seems clear that we may  have to be willing to put aside our reasons why our friend should  become a Christian and try to see into their world, and try to  understand their needs, before we offer the greatest of solutions to  all of life’s problems.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Seeing Or Hearing&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One  of the saddest parts of today’s church is that for the most part it has  become hidden from life, locked weekly into the four walls of our  “stained-glass” wombs, and not available to be seen, witnessed and  experienced in the everyday, and interacted with in the normal context  of a person’s life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Like some kind of weird “witness  protection” system, we have hidden the most powerful witness of the  Good News of Jesus Christ, the very people that Christ has changed,  filled and empowered to live His life in the world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;People  simply do not hear our answers to questions that they have not yet  asked for themselves. Any canned presentation, even by the most well  meaning Christian towards some hypothetical, average person is like  trying to selling tickets on the Ark to someone who has been praying  for rain for two years.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The church is to be the visible  expression of Christ in this world. It is to be in view of the others.  So that by watching or viewing the church, people absorbed as a body of  believers, other people can sense, can feel, and can even ask  questions. The world must experience the living fullness of Christ.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That  is why living church 24/7 in a real world, out in front, for all to  examine and to see is so critical. The church is an eternal presence in  a fallen, temporal world, but we must have influence. And if all we do  is go to meetings, whether in a building or a home, and never interact  in the context of others, we have very little influence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Listening Or Lectures&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As  Dena Brehm once stated, “Just by way of observation preaching was done  to those who didn’t yet believe, dialogue was done with those who did  already believe.”  When we preach down to others, rather than live  in front of them, we keep them at the distance of their unbelief. When  we eat with them, laugh with them, cry with them, and most of all  listen to them, we become a bridge into their world rather than a  disjointed, disconnected religious wedge of condemnation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When  we listen to others we find out what is really going on in that  person’s life. Then, and only then, we might be able to offer some help  to where they are. Even better, we might even be specifically asked to  help, at which point the Gospel the Good news of Jesus alive in me has  become attractive.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Evangelism is not a course, not a  subject, and not a goal. Loving people is. Loving people until they ask  “why.” Our primary relationship to those outside the faith is not to  try to get them to come to a meeting, endure a lengthy sermon and walk  the aisle to an altar call. It is to do good works, helping them with  any needs that they may have. Whether that be babysitting for them,  helping them find a job, or simply having them over for coffee and  listening as a friend.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, how can we do that when we are  constantly running off to meetings, even meetings to better learn how  to share our faith? How can we do that as we continue to hide behind  the excess of our religious activities? As it has been well said,  “Preach the good news to everyone, everywhere you go, and when  necessary, use words.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“We have too many high sounding words, and too few actions that correspond to them.” - Abigail Adams (1744 - 1818)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;A Virtual Visual Living Witness&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That  is why I so love doing church in a natural way, in a natural setting  like a home, an apartment, a yard, a park, an office, in the  marketplace of life. And with real people in real-life situations. By  observation our neighbors see what goes on, even hear what is going on,  long before we try to pounce on them with the “sinner’s prayer.” The  fact that we have time to spend with them, the fact they are not made  to feel like the objects of our evangelistic zeal, but rather friends,  friends we like being with, and friends we actually care about goes  much further than our quick wit with the Four Spiritual Laws or the  Roman Road.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What is missing for many people, who might  normally be curious about the Christian life, is they don’t get to see  the Christian “life.” They only get to see us going off to another  Christian “meeting.”  They need to be exposed to how we live, how  we struggle, and how God continues to transform in the midst of the  same difficult circumstances that the whole world lives in.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When  we live out this 24/7/365 Christian life, and live it next door, and  even invite those neighbors in to participate, we have created a  context that makes what we have to offer real. At the end of the day,  we only have one thing. We don’t need to compete with the world’s  intellect, music, style, wealth or lack thereof.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We have a  unique commodity. The living, breathing example of changed, transformed  lives. And seeing them, live, care, cry, struggle, share, hurt, heal,  all is part of the picture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, lets get about the business  of “being the good news,” before we attempt to present or proclaim “the  good news.” Evangelism is a conversation, not a sermon. It is a  proactive interaction not a pedantic put-down. It is a series of  inclusive acts, not a pattern of rejection or manipulation to adhere to  a list of rules.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus was a “friend of sinners.” Now does  that describe today’s kind of Christianity that is only known for its  objections and political judgment?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let’s keep the  conversation going, keep the neighbors coming, and let’s include them  now, even before they “pray the prayer,” so that we understand they  will very likely “belong before they believe.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally,  let’s be reminded that part of God’s corporate mission for us is that  we would live in transforming communities. Communities that not only  feel like family, but act like family when the going gets tough,  especially when it is time to confront a brother or sister, and walk  them through the “hard times.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Andy Christopher on community  recently wrote,  “Though community is to be sought after, it  should not take the place of a real reverence for the Lord and a  respect for His prerogative to reach down and blow up whatever plans we  cook up together outside of His specific command.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Changed lives, intertwined with other changed lives, living for the world to see. What a concept of a missional community!&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4292515827283096802-5757078148514203748?l=garygoodell.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://garygoodell.blogspot.com/feeds/5757078148514203748/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4292515827283096802&amp;postID=5757078148514203748' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4292515827283096802/posts/default/5757078148514203748'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4292515827283096802/posts/default/5757078148514203748'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://garygoodell.blogspot.com/2010/02/missional-house-churches-part-tw.html' title='Missional House Churches, Part Two'/><author><name>Permission is Given...</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17682724668784048485</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-6kZqm2Baf8/Sb7-2SnHk0I/AAAAAAAAABQ/eCxDQ-VJrTM/S220/garyhat.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4292515827283096802.post-3105266420861899826</id><published>2010-01-25T14:08:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2010-01-25T14:08:57.312-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Missional House Churches, Part One</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;"The harvest truly is plentiful, but the laborers are few." (Matthew 9:37)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;p&gt;A  standing concern over the recent emphasis on housechurching, especially  with its strong emphasis on the need for deeper fellowship and more  authentic community, is that we might be once again concentrating too  much on those already saved, fixated on catering to their emotional,  social and edification needs, getting too ingrown, becoming less  missional, and ignoring the enormity of the Great Commission and  today's harvest.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    Some might even warn us, that the Scripture says to, &lt;em&gt;"Pray to the Lord of the Harvest," (Matthew 9:38) not, "Pray to the Lord of the Fellowship."&lt;/em&gt; So, is there a sense of caution here about too much fellowship, too much navel gazing, too much community?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    &lt;b&gt;Rethinking Fellowship&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  I don't think that the emphasis on housechurching is a Great Commission  problem if we constantly rethink the goal of fellowship, the goal of  community. When we remind ourselves that purpose of gathering as  believers is mutual edification &lt;em&gt;(Hebrews 10:24, 25)&lt;/em&gt;,  and the exposure to the multi-faceted giftings of a local body then the  exposure to true and authentic community actually can help produce  happier and healthier saints. Who in turn are naturally more effective  as living witnesses to their world.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    I have wondered for a long time whether our classic emphasis on &lt;em&gt;Matthew 28; Mark 16, Luke 24; John 20; Acts 1&lt;/em&gt; and the &lt;em&gt;Great Commission&lt;/em&gt;  has been all that effective in motivating people to evangelize  effectively. I do believe in a Great Commission, in The Great  Commission, and I desire deeply an empowered, living community of faith  that embodies and incarnates that message of Jesus to the world.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  I just wonder how much of the power of that message comes through the  latest evangelism trend, over-zealous evangelists or by being rightly  related to our Heavenly Father and to His people; the body of Christ?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    For years as a city pastor I attempted to do everything in my power to help create the kind of unity that would emulate &lt;em&gt;Psalm 133&lt;/em&gt; and fulfill Christ's High-priestly prayer in &lt;em&gt;John 17.&lt;/em&gt;  Wondering all along if we would actually have a greater impact on our  culture if we got caught truly in love with God and with each other?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    &lt;b&gt;Father And Me Then You And Me&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;       A reread of Jesus' prayer might reveal a different focal point, &lt;em&gt;"that they all may be one, as You Father are in me," (John 17:21).&lt;/em&gt;  Is it possibly putting a greater emphasis on the relationship of  intimacy and oneness between Jesus and His Father first, rather than  the exclusive inference to the horizontal one of fellowship unity  between you and I. First of all, with worldwide Christianity now  boasting 37,000 denominations, what a daunting task this horizontal  unity presents. I am simply thinking out loud as to whether we may have  overstated the horizontal part of this unity and may have missed the  greater vertical intimacy that will be followed by the fruit of the  horizontal oneness. I do know this, that when the vertical relationship  between my Father and I is intact, that automatically sheds light and  dynamic on my horizontal relationship with others. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  I also know that when my relationship of intimacy is broken with the  Father it creates a very difficult environment for any true or  meaningful fellowship with one another. I have come to call this the  "sucking sound of fellowship."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Get some Christians together who do not have a working personal history  with God, and their need for community is out of proportion, out of  balance, and it screams "community" when the actual need is for  intimacy with their personal God to be restored. The migration  Christians from fellowship to fellowship is more likely a pilgrimage or  search for Him rather than for each other. As we pursue Him, our love,  our patience, and our way of being with each other radically changes.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    &lt;b&gt;The Cadence of Christ&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    I guess what I am saying goes back to my past reference on the classic sequence of Jesus in His own personal ministry in &lt;em&gt;Luke 6:12 - 19.&lt;/em&gt; It seems there was a very distinct purpose to the sequential priorities in the life of Christ. &lt;b&gt;(1)&lt;/b&gt; He spent the night in solitude &lt;em&gt;(intimacy)&lt;/em&gt; with the Father, &lt;b&gt;(2)&lt;/b&gt; the morning in fellowship &lt;em&gt;(community)&lt;/em&gt; with His friends, and then &lt;b&gt;(3)&lt;/b&gt; the afternoon in healing and deliverance &lt;em&gt;(evangelism)&lt;/em&gt; with the harvest.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  I have experienced much inward turmoil over these priorities in my  life. So much of my ministry life in the early days was spent in  neglect of that Secret Place/Sacred Space with Poppa. Even my  fellowship with others that was spotty at best. Much of that seasons  was consumed with serving God by serving others, all under the guise of  serving the needs of the institutional church.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  In the end, I outwardly may have achieved the success of numerical  growth, but inwardly I lacked a deep fellowship with God, and a deep  friendship with others. I always seemed to muster adequate vision  beyond me, giving myself to missions, and to outreach in it many forms,  only finding the emptiness in doing without knowing the Father or being  really known by my brothers and sisters.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    Back to the sequence of &lt;em&gt;Luke 6,&lt;/em&gt;  or what I call the Cadence of Christ. When these priorities are in  order, things seem to be different. So let me go even further than the  just the concern for too much fellowship. I think the priorities are  even different than that. First, we spend time, much time with the  Father, then time, deep time, with our friends, not just doing church  business, but living in healthy community. And the results of this  living in God and with each other will make a far more effective  influence on the Harvest field around us.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  I do want to work harder at being more intentional in my inclusion of  the lost in my daily life, but when the mission overrides my  relationships with God and my brothers and sisters, I am destined for  burnout or bitterness. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    I am more and more convinced that the best outreach comes through a life that is fulfilled up in &lt;b&gt;upreach&lt;/b&gt; &lt;em&gt;(To God)&lt;/em&gt; satisfied in &lt;b&gt;inreach&lt;/b&gt; &lt;em&gt;(To the saints)&lt;/em&gt; and then released in &lt;b&gt;outreach&lt;/b&gt; &lt;em&gt;(To the lost).&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Given that scenario, I want to jump into this new year, and this new  season committed to pursuing a new generation of healthy sons and  daughters and healthy brothers and sisters who can better reach a lost  and drifting society.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Our need is not slicker, more media-savvy approaches to evangelism. The  message of Jesus' redemption is clear; the gospel is and always will be  the Good News. The message will not change but it can be seen clearer  and better and more distinct when we live it out with God and each  other.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    We are still "in this world," we are still exhibit A, to make the message more believable by how we live.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    Or as Daniel Oudshoorn writes,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    &lt;em&gt;"Therefore, if the western Church hopes to be missional, it must  learn to speak Christianly in the midst of Babel. Instead of changing  the gospel message the Church must proclaim the gospel in its original  form and allow the way it lives to interpret that message. The  Christian message cannot simply be employed to provide Christian living  with cultural approval. Instead Christian living, coupled with faith in  the Holy Spirit, ought to provide the content and meaning of the  Christian message. When Christianity is proclaimed in this way then the  Church will be equipped to reveal a radical new way of being human in  the midst of a western culture.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    &lt;em&gt;It is the indwelling and embodiment of the Christian story that  makes it comprehensible (and perhaps even appealing) to society. It is  the actions of the Christian community that exegete the Christian  message."&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    &lt;b&gt;A Prophetic Wanna-Be&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  I have always wanted to be more prophetic than I am, often desiring  those laser-beam, precision, end-times words that everyone seems to be  seeking. Especially today with the whole world in turmoil. So I am  sorry, this is such a simple word.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Our finest hour is in front of us, and we will be up for it as we learn  to take "baby steps," in living out our faith. A simple return to the  main and the plain of loving God and serving one another by meeting the  most of basic of needs in front of us, will return us to the potency  and power of our message.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Begin by returning to the Father, carving out huge chunks of time, just  learning to sit and rest in His presence. Secondly, keep living a life  that moves towards authentic community, spending good amounts of time  in deeper fellowship with one another, enjoying life as family, as we  learn to gather, to eat, to share, to laugh, to pray together, and to  genuinely care for each other.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Guaranteed, when we do this, our souls will be filled, our lives will  be enriched, and the message of Jesus Christ will gain a great  credibility in the eyes and ears of our skeptical culture.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4292515827283096802-3105266420861899826?l=garygoodell.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://garygoodell.blogspot.com/feeds/3105266420861899826/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4292515827283096802&amp;postID=3105266420861899826' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4292515827283096802/posts/default/3105266420861899826'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4292515827283096802/posts/default/3105266420861899826'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://garygoodell.blogspot.com/2010/01/missional-house-churches-part-one.html' title='Missional House Churches, Part One'/><author><name>Permission is Given...</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17682724668784048485</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-6kZqm2Baf8/Sb7-2SnHk0I/AAAAAAAAABQ/eCxDQ-VJrTM/S220/garyhat.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4292515827283096802.post-7902226687338428304</id><published>2009-12-29T11:53:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-12-29T11:54:19.366-08:00</updated><title type='text'>The Challenge of the New Church</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;There  is an old story about five blind men who were given the task of  describing an elephant. Depending on where the men were positioned,  they in turn described the elephant as a mountain, a fire hose, a tree  trunk and a spear. (The blind man who grabbed the elephant's tail and  thought it was like a fly-swatter had the presence of mind to keep his  mouth shut.) The story doesn't go into detail about the fighting that  took place between the other four to resolve the issue, as apparently  none of them considered that they could all be partially correct.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  God is infinitely more complex than the elephant. Many of us have had  an experience with God that has given us a certain impression of what  He is like. However, God is just too big for us to experience more than  just a small part of Him. Many people live their entire lives being  satisfied with their partial view of God, either by choice or out of  ignorance that there is perhaps more to see. Others learn to relate to  others who have a different experience of God, and hopefully increase  in their knowledge of Him in the process. However, we don't increase in  our experience of God by merely relating to other Christians. To do  that, we must occasionally reposition ourselves, stepping out of the  box of our personal traditions, so that we can experience God from new  angles.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  It has been my intent over the few years to keep "walking around the  elephant" and to take as many others with me as I can drag. As a  result, it was often hard to describe our various home groups, as we  rarely did things the same way twice. We had, as our primary values,  relating to God, and relating to each other, and found that these  values could take on many forms. I often found that it was the group  who was dragging me around to some new view.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  However, working within the structure of a church, even a smallish  church, has proven to be more difficult. There seems to be an innate  rigidity in the typical church that resists attempts to do something  new, or merely to do something in a new way. No matter how much we talk  about valuing organism over organization, it seems as though where two  or more or gathered, the system (or "the machine," as we say) takes  over.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Of course, everyone resists change to some extent. The fact that we  were created with skeletal systems indicates that we are creatures who  depend upon a certain amount of structure. People groups also require a  certain amount of structure. Put 50 people together and they will in  very short order create some kind of functional system, whether it's  just to decide who will go get the chips and beer. But, take 50 people,  or even 10 people, and have them start a "church," and superfluous  structures begin forming out of thin air - or rather, out of our  notions about what a church should be. The concept of traditional  church has a power that is almost impossible to withstand.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  I think this has a lot to do with the cultural expectations of  "church," which unfortunately seem to have become the Western church's  secondary cornerstones. A few years ago I sat in a room with about 12  people as we considered how to start a new church. The question before  us was, "what are the essential elements of a church?" I was astounded  at many of the responses, and by the extraneous work that people were  willing to take on (which, by the way, took time and energy away from  developing community). Things like the Sunday Morning Service and the  Head Pastor model, though neither has any real New Testament basis,  have actually become foundational to our concept of church.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Let's take another look at our blind men. Each one, being fairly happy  with their position at the elephant, starts laying a few stones. The  first one, the Head Pastor stone, marks one corner, directly across  from the cornerstone marked "Jesus." The next stone, the Sunday Morning  Service stone, marks another corner, and so on. Pretty soon the  foundation is laid and the church is built, and there it will stay,  with no means of ever discovering what lays outside the box they now  call the church.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  So how do we do church differently? How can we create a structure that  does not prevent us from discovering the many facets of God? What we  need is something that moves - we don't need a monument, we need a  hovercraft!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  The first thing we need to do is realize that the aforementioned  cornerstones are not cornerstones at all; we cannot afford to entrench  them. They may be useful tools for some churches at some times, but  they are not essential to being the church. The only essential elements  of church that I can see are contained in this statement: "wherever two  or more are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them." That  is church, pure and simple. Relying too much on anything else creates  immobility and contributes to an "us and them" mentality within the  church (something that Paul warned against in 1 Corinthians 3:4).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  We also need to establish among our people the value of remaining  fluid. However, in order to do that we need to provide some new,  transportable base upon which to build this fluid structure. We already  have, of course, our only real foundation, which is the Gospel of the  Kingdom. To this we add no other foundation; we only add the  "architectural guidelines," if you will, for our structure.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  My current thinking (my thinking is pretty fluid, too) is that all we  really need besides the Gospel is inherent in the Gospel itself, which  can pretty well be described by the intertwined concepts of  "relationship" and "community." The Gospel is only lived out as we are  first in relationship to the Head, Jesus, to the rest of the Body, the  Church, and of course in relationship to the world. Again, we come back  to Jesus' statement, "wherever two or more are gathered in My name,  there am I in the midst of them."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  So, then, we have the foundational rock of the Gospel, which of course,  rests solely on the work of Jesus. That, in effect, is our "elephant."  To be a church, I think we should be in relationship with the entire  elephant, not just the part we think we know, or like, or what fits our  personality. At least, we should be willing to be in relationship with  the entire elephant, though we know that is impossible considering our  human limitations. This means we must have, as one of our highest  priorities or values, a commitment to being fluid enough to be in  relationship with all of God. This, of course, presupposes a belief  that we, ourselves, are myopic in our view of God and of the Church, as  well as in our view of ourselves.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Next, we must be committed to each other. Throughout our journey we  will, hopefully, bump into various other like-minded people and "clump"  together (the fellowship that Todd Hunter has been working with calls  itself "a fearless clump of seekers"). We will also hopefully "convert"  others along the way, who will also clump with us. This is a natural,  organic development of church. In my opinion, this is The Way It Should  Be. We need to have as a co-equal value, a commitment to those that God  has clumped together.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  This commitment includes allowing our interaction to lead us in new  understandings of God. Not valuing the "head pastor" as essential, we  will probably not have just one person navigating the way; the  direction of our journey will be set as we interact as a group with God.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  A third value (actually, it's part B of our 2nd value) needs to be a  commitment to the rest of The Church. Again, we cannot afford to have  an "us &amp;amp; them" mentality. In our fellowship's journey together  around the elephant (we are no longer a blind man, we have become a  visionary fellowship), we will encounter both other visionary  fellowships as well as the structures built by our blind men. They each  have an experience with God that is also part of us; for in reality we  are the same body. As John Donne once said, "no man is an island." The  same holds for fellowships. We are part and parcel with each and every  visionary group and blind man who has a relationship with God, and we  must value that to the same extent that we value relationship within  our little fellowship clump.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  Of course, we need to realize that most of the blind men, as well as  many of the other visionary groups, may not hold to this value, and may  despise what they perceive as our lack of foundation. No matter - we  must continue to value them, and to look at their position to search  out any truth that we may need to discover.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  What else do we need? Oh yes, a good Sunday School program. OK, so I am  just kidding. I don't think we really require anything else. Everything  else - missionary sending, outreach, Bible study - all will come  naturally if we are truly and honestly relating to God and are  sensitive to His leading. My theory is that our commitment to being  fluid and walking around the elephant will make our fellowship more apt  to follow the leading of the Spirit. When the woman at the well tried  to engage Jesus with a theological discussion about which mountain God  was at, Jesus gave her a remarkably postmodern answer: God is seeking  those who will worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. With these  commitments - as this really what I have been talking about -  everything else should follow.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  However, let us state one more relational commitment, which is implied  in our commitment to the Gospel: our commitment to the world. Though it  is my belief that the church exists primarily to be in relationship  with Christ, Jesus came For God So Loved The World. Because it is  Jesus' mission to be the mediating savior of the world, our commitment  to Him and our relationship with Him joins us securely and permanently  to His mission. Though this is the subject for another time, let me  just comment that our growing relationship with Jesus only comes as we  join Him in going where He goes and working along side of Him.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  To quickly summarize, I have boiled the essence of church down to a  commitment to three relationships: 1) A vital, growing and changing  relationship to God, 2a) A relationship to those we "clump" to, 2b) A  relationship to the entire Church, and 3) A missional relationship to  the world. These commitments will require some type of structure; don't  misunderstand me as saying that all structure is wrong. I am just  challenging us to rethink our structures, as I suspect that we can find  newer, more efficient and more relevant structures.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  As I have dialogued with people over the years about the lack of need  for so much rigid structure in church organizations, usually referring  to my home group as a model for how church could work, often there has  come the argument that this can only work for a small group. Once a  church reaches a certain size, they say - say 100, 200 people - you  can't do church the same way; then you need to move into a more  conventional structure.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  I honestly don't know if that theory is true. Perhaps at a certain  size, even with commitment to the values I have mentioned, fluidity is  hampered. If so, then, it begs the question, "why do we need churches  that big?" It sounds to me that once size is a problem, operating in  smaller groups would be a solution, which is basic cell-church theory.  The difference here, however, is that cell-churches have often fallen  into the blind man category as they have entrenched themselves in their  own positions.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;  I am not suggesting that the New Church cannot meet on Sunday mornings,  or that they cannot have a single or head pastor. They can even own a  building with a steeple, if they feel led, just as long as they don't  make it foundational to who they are, or insist that others do it, too.  The New Church needs an attitude of humility and a commitment to  flexibility, founded upon the principle that "we know in part," that we  need to know more [of God], and that we will do anything we need to do  to know Him more fully and to communicate to the world.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;    That is the challenge facing The New Church by Alden Swan&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4292515827283096802-7902226687338428304?l=garygoodell.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://garygoodell.blogspot.com/feeds/7902226687338428304/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4292515827283096802&amp;postID=7902226687338428304' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4292515827283096802/posts/default/7902226687338428304'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4292515827283096802/posts/default/7902226687338428304'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://garygoodell.blogspot.com/2009/12/challenge-of-new-church.html' title='The Challenge of the New Church'/><author><name>Permission is Given...</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17682724668784048485</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-6kZqm2Baf8/Sb7-2SnHk0I/AAAAAAAAABQ/eCxDQ-VJrTM/S220/garyhat.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4292515827283096802.post-2121792070716343707</id><published>2009-06-24T19:36:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-06-24T19:38:32.382-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Famine For the Lord’s Words</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“Behold, the days are coming,”&lt;/span&gt; says the Lord God, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“That I will send a famine on the land, not a famine of bread, not a thirst for water, But of hearing the words of the Lord,” (Amos 8:11).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Most of my life in the natural, like most Americans, I have lived off processed, refined foods, not organic, real foods. Foods, with the nutrients sucked out through processing and packaging. Some very wise friends in learning the benefits of good, right, healthy, real foods are helping Jane and me right now. For years others have tried to share with information with us, but I don’t think we were ready.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I also think this has been the sad state of our spiritual diets as well. We have given most of our lives to the consumption of spoon-fed teaching. And as good and admirable as many of these fine teachers were and are, we were, in fact, being fed and have learned to live off processed or refined theology. Someone else’s recipe, someone else’s mix, someone else’s diet.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Once again, I repeat Bill Hybels apology to thousands of Christians. (Bill Hybels is the Founder/President of The Willow Creek Association).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Willow Creek Association has undoubtedly had some of the greatest influence on the evangelical church in America as a movement in the last 30 years. In response to the experience-based environment of programs and participation so prevalent, Bill recently said, "We made a mistake. What we should have done when people crossed the line of faith and become Christians, we should have started telling people and teaching people that they have to take responsibility to become ‘self feeders.’ We should have ... taught people, how to read their bible between service, how to do the spiritual practices much more aggressively on their own."&lt;br /&gt;While some use the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Amos 8:11&lt;/span&gt; text for their personal reinforcement of more teaching, more preaching, I personally believe it is just the opposite. It is a famine for the personal nourishment when the Lord speaks to you. When He speaks to you personally, out of the heart of hunger and His heart to respond and fill.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;John 14:26, “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in My name. He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things I said to you.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Outwardness and Inwardness&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We all have two sides. Calvin Miller in his classic, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“Table of Inwardness,”&lt;/span&gt; reminds us that outwardness as a Christian has for its greatest strength and greatest weakness the same thing: visibility. Outwardness has great appeal to all of us, even as it did in Christ’s day, but misused is fatal. &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“Beware of practicing piety before men in order to be seen by them” (Matthew 6:1).  &lt;/span&gt;You have heard me for years refer to leaders who have a public identity without a personal/private history.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But likewise, the strength and weakness of inwardness is the same: invisibility. Inwardness draws us to that unseen reality. Inwardness says there is always more than what we see, always more than what appears or appeals to the eyes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Outwardness too quickly denotes modern Christianity: going to meetings, doing things, teaching, preaching, testifying, praying for others, all in front of the rest of the world, or at least in front of other Christians, and many times in front of the room. And if we do these things well, man, the kudos will come, the pats on the back, the applause, even more to do these outward things more, which unfortunately has been too much of the motivation to keep on being better at being outward.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Man has always been addicted to outwardness, as God speaks to the prophet’s heart in the OT when He says, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“Man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart,” (I Samuel 16:7).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When it comes to inwardness, only you can tend that garden, and you tend it alone. Your guardianship of your inwardness is utterly crucial, since out of the heart come &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“the issues of life,” (Proverbs 4:23).&lt;/span&gt; And again, if you would survive the famine, it will be because you have tended your own personal inward garden well.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As someone pointed out we are like a ripe fruit which, when squeezed, displays its real contents. To this Jesus commented, that it is not what goes into our mouths, or even what we eat or drink, but what comes out of our hearts that defiles us,&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; (Matthew 15:11). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What comes out shows or reveals what is in us,&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; “As a man thinketh in his heart so is he” (Proverbs 23:7). &lt;/span&gt;There is and will be an increased hunger to meet with God and be fed by God as we move into these difficult days. The world will also get a sense of who we have been with, somehow they will just know we spend time with Poppa, because of the individual sounds, the individual appeal we will carry. Our culture is already so skeptical of the canned, processed church. The one hour and fifteen minutes (the average meeting time of the successful, evangelical services) we devote to God has not produces health, nor hungers, except maybe in us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Three Paradoxes of Inwardness&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Aloneness-is-presence&lt;/span&gt; - However you find it. Spending time completely alone with God is really about the ultimate increase of His presence. Inner silence comes when you beat those demons that too often clutter and distract and fill us with you with every other sound. Inner silence only comes when there is true outer silence, and this only comes when you and God are alone.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Retreat-is-advancement&lt;/span&gt; - Go ahead, leave the “To Do List” behind, knowing that most of those screaming assignments will take care of themselves if you address the “tyranny of the urgent,” and go on a retreat with the Lover of your soul. Luther’s attitude was, “I have so many things to do today, I dare not ignore my time with God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Beyond-is-within&lt;/span&gt; - No, you can’t do life in God, without God’s life in you. You must constantly be making room for more of Him. You must always be pressing out in order to press in. He is ready and willing to enlarge your capacity to receive more of Him. Yes, the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“heavens do declare the glory of God,” (Psalm 19:10),&lt;/span&gt; but we get to be possessed by a transgalactic Omnipotence who comes to indwell us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;A DVD Diet&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am almost tempted to encourage everyone to lock up their CD’s, their DVD’s, shut off their podcasts, and maybe even leave some of the new books on your shelf. Just dedicate this new season to private meals between you and the Father. Go after God in the secret place, and treat each day as a steward by giving Him sacred space.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If we want be a people who survive the famine and even learn to help others survive, it will not be because we feed them, but because we model, by our own appetites and our own insatiable hunger for the fresh, full word directly from the Lord.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It won’t be easy, it is always war to shift our priorities towards Him, so remember, He will even, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“prepare a table before you in the presence of your enemies,” (Psalm 23:5).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4292515827283096802-2121792070716343707?l=garygoodell.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://garygoodell.blogspot.com/feeds/2121792070716343707/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4292515827283096802&amp;postID=2121792070716343707' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4292515827283096802/posts/default/2121792070716343707'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4292515827283096802/posts/default/2121792070716343707'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://garygoodell.blogspot.com/2009/06/famine-for-lords-words.html' title='Famine For the Lord’s Words'/><author><name>Permission is Given...</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17682724668784048485</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-6kZqm2Baf8/Sb7-2SnHk0I/AAAAAAAAABQ/eCxDQ-VJrTM/S220/garyhat.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4292515827283096802.post-8748140499950271191</id><published>2009-06-20T11:34:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-06-20T11:40:03.915-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Living In God’s Economy</title><content type='html'>When everything is shaking, as it is all around us, it is a good time to get into discussion about the things that matter. As financial markets worldwide have gone askew we get to take a good hard look at how God has called us to live in His Kingdom economy even during these volatile financial times.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From the earliest days God was saying something to us about our giving, and how different it would be. First through books, like the one by Al Houghton, “Purifying The Altar,” then by deliberate acts of moving away from the funding of facilities and programs, not charging at conferences and/or events, releasing, resourcing and empowering leaders based upon their callings, not their social status or their educational system, and giving generously to the poor, the needy and the oppressed of the nations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As we have been assigned to address the subject of “doing church differently,” that includes “giving differently.” It means confronting those so-called “financial laws,” that exist in the church today that are actually a part of the old religious system tying people to false realities and expectations in the areas of giving.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Confronting Old Financial Laws&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;    * Compulsory (Malachi 3 - Storehouse) Tithing Laws&lt;/span&gt;- tithe to this or that ministry and receive grace for enough, withhold those tithes and be cursed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;    * Mandatory Prophetic Offering Laws&lt;/span&gt; – pledge and give this prophetic amount or this monthly percentage that usually correlates to some prophetic number over a period of a year above and beyond the tithe and break the financial curse, and if need be even charge it to your credit card.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; * Selective and/or Directive Sowing Laws&lt;/span&gt; – direct your seed to this ministry, instead of that ministry, if you really want to get a good return on your investment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Financial Reformation in the 21st Century&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;About 500 years ago in 517, the church encountered a radical confrontation that would become known as The Great Reformation. We heard much about the call to the return to the authority of Scripture and the return to “simple salvation by grace through faith.” But that is not all that was addressed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What we don’t hear as much was about the call for reformation in giving. In the movie "Luther", Martin Luther is contending over the practice of "paying indulgences" to the Roman Catholic church in order to "free a soul from sin and purgatory.” Martin asks the religious authorities this question;  "If God will forgive sin for money, why won't He do it for love?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If salvation by grace alone was restored to the church, what about God's grace for physical provision?  Aren't these provided by grace as well? The way many Christians still give today, it seems as though we continue to "pay indulgences" to religious institutions in order to receive God’s grace for finances.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Grasping Kingdom Finances&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We need to be asking the same question Luther asked. "If God will supply our needs for money, why won't He do it for love?"  Of course, the answer is, we know He does.  Jesus set this straight with His words about the Father’s care for us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“Therefore take no thought,” saying, “What shall we eat?” or, “What shall we drink?” or, “Wherewithal shall we be clothed?” (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." Matthew 6:31-33&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.”  John 16:24&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not a bit of religious performance or duty here.  Real faith and trust, just like receiving salvation, just like receiving healing.  We are invited to believe in the Father’s love and receive provision from Him. In these stressed times, we have good financial news. Jesus purchased it all at the cross.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus satisfied all (including financial) religious obligations.&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." Romans 10:4&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus took all (including financial) curses. &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us.” Galatians 3:13&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It begins and ends in His love.  &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.”  I John 4:10 &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;1) Realms of Supply - The Natural Order of Investing - Sowing and Reaping&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All that God has created in the natural world operates on the principle of sowing and reaping.  It is the process of life, and increase. God is at work in the world supplying seed to the sower, the sun and rain for growth. Because of the fall sowing and reaping includes the process of sin and of death.  We can sow to the flesh or the Spirit in our human activity.  The Spirit brings life, and the flesh brings death.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Man sows into the natural order in everything he does, whether seed in the ground or helping others.  Paul was talking about this when he said,&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; "he that soweth bountifully shall reap bountifully."  (1Corinthians 9:6)&lt;/span&gt; in referring to the Corinthians financial gift.   Furthermore, Paul says that God supplies grace so that we have the seed to start with.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God’s Kingdom invades the natural order when He gives to us, or we give to others. Sowing and reaping is how God made things to work.  Romans says that Christ Himself upholds the whole universe. It is the created order that operates on the principle of sowing and reaping.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So even when the odds are against a certain outcome of your sowing process, weather goes bad, crops spoil, everything is bad and nothing works, our God still supplies. Even when the stock you invested in under what you thought was good counsel fails, God does not fail you.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;2) Realms of Supply – The Natural Order of Marketing - Buying And Selling&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The order that man creates or operates on is the basis of buying and selling.  Because of the fall, man judges and sets value on everything. We trade value for value. We sell our labor for money. We buy the product of labor with money.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We all see that the present financial crisis was created by greed in buying and selling. Men borrowed to speculate in building, buying and selling for a profit. On it went with houses, stocks, commodities, oil, and food. Prices were driven upwards until it went beyond our ability to pay the interest on the money borrowed.  Buying and selling collapsed because there is no confidence in the artificial values. Sadly, Christians have also been a part of this, but God wants our heart for the Kingdom.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.  And he saith unto them, whose is this image and superscription?  They say unto him, Cesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Cesar the things which are Cesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.” Matthew 22:19-21&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Buying and selling isn’t a bad thing, as log as usury and manipulation is not behind a spirit of greed, and even when we end up “losing money” in an unfortunate transaction, God is still your supply.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;3) Realms of Supply – The Kingdom Order of Generosity  - Giving and Receiving&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Kingdom of God operates best through the principle of generosity and giving and receiving in obedience to God’s leading and direction.  It begins with God’s love for the entire world, His giving nature and continues through His people receiving His nature and giving to others.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Giving and receiving begins with God loving and giving to us. He created the world for man and put us in it to enjoy it and fellowship with Him. He loved us even while we were still sinners, and gave Christ that we might receive life and freedom. He puts His love in our hearts&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; (Galatians 5:6)&lt;/span&gt;. He invites us to freely receive His grace. &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;(I Corinthians 2:12)&lt;/span&gt;. Then in turn He urges us to give,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"...Freely ye have received, freely give."  Matthew 10:8&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As we learn to “pray and obey,” and learn to “receive and to give in obedience,” we are set free from the fear of lack and receive changed hearts, so we can liberally give out of God’s direction, and our delight, because it is all God’s, it all belongs to the King who gives liberally, so we can give and release liberally.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That is Kingdom Finances. Giving and receiving in the Kingdom of God is not a law and never under compulsion, other wise it is not giving, it would be taking. He gives, we receive, and we then “pray and obey,” giving intentionally in His nature.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is why Paul says:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. " II Corinthians 9:7&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;As Kingdom Citizens:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.    We love the King – Giving to Him&lt;br /&gt;2.    We love other Kingdom Citizens – Giving to Them&lt;br /&gt;3.    We Love non-Kingdom citizens – Giving to Them&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus was condemned because he hung out with the sinners, and prostitutes.  He poured grace on the cultural outcasts, the undeserving and rejected.  We participate in the Kingdom when we give to others with the heart of the Jesus.  Jesus told us in being like the Father we even get to bless the wicked.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“Bless them that curse you, and pray for them, which despitefully use you. But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.” &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Luke 6:28, 35&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Evidentially, the Heart of the King is that,&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; "He is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Apparently, blessing the ungodly extends to finances as well.  A little later in this passage Jesus tells us that being like His Father we will abound in His mercy and grace and giving.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom.” Luke 6:36-38&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This passage is not just about giving to the saints, giving to the ministries. Giving to Kingdom citizen, but also it’s about giving to those outside the Kingdom of God. It's invading man’s order with Kingdom giving.  “The men shall give into your bosom.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;As Kingdom Finances comes from the Heart of the Father:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Be merciful&lt;br /&gt;-Judge Not&lt;br /&gt;-Condemn Not&lt;br /&gt;-Forgive&lt;br /&gt;-Give To Those Who Don't Deserve It&lt;br /&gt;-Give To The Poor&lt;br /&gt;-Give To Those Who Cannot Repay&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Acts as stewards of all the good things of God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God is fully willing and able to supply His people with more than enough.  As sons and daughters of the Father, blessing with the same heart of compassion and love as the Father, we will give to His Purpose and His People, with His Passion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When all the institutions and kingdoms of men crash, the auto industry, the stock market, Wall Street, these do not affect God’s Kingdom. In the days to come, we will have more to give, and more to give to. God’s value system will take over our dependence on man’s system.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In times like these it is imperative we operate according to His Kingdom economy concerning our receiving and giving. As believers living in God’s Kingdom, by God’s Kingdom realities get ready for a year of abundance preparing to receive abundantly and give extravagantly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nine means Fullness, nine spiritual gifts in I Corinthians 12, nine fruit of the Spirit in Galatians 5, a woman carries a child full-term for nine months. In the worst financial market in our lifetime, God is ushering us into a year of Fullness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;His Kingdom is real and His Kingdom is here, so we can give and receive freely and generously.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Go ahead and get lean, as many are giving away extra baggage, getting out of debt, etc. Get lean, but not mean, instead get and stay very generous.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4292515827283096802-8748140499950271191?l=garygoodell.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://garygoodell.blogspot.com/feeds/8748140499950271191/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4292515827283096802&amp;postID=8748140499950271191' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4292515827283096802/posts/default/8748140499950271191'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4292515827283096802/posts/default/8748140499950271191'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://garygoodell.blogspot.com/2009/06/living-in-gods-economy-while-financial.html' title='Living In God’s Economy'/><author><name>Permission is Given...</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17682724668784048485</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-6kZqm2Baf8/Sb7-2SnHk0I/AAAAAAAAABQ/eCxDQ-VJrTM/S220/garyhat.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4292515827283096802.post-3323052888835192650</id><published>2009-06-10T08:45:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-06-10T08:48:22.521-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Liminal Leadership</title><content type='html'>Something feels deeply "new" about this upcoming year for me. It could be out of my hope, because 2008 was such a tough year for everyone. But this new year and this new season doesn't feel routine to me by any means. It feels radically different, and potentially very exciting.&lt;br /&gt;My friend Len in Canada (www.nextreformation.com) continues to challenge me about leaders finding their "space," in this new shift of leadership for the next generation. Len wrote the article, "Leading From The Margins," that was so influential in pressing me to write my new book. The book, "Where Would Jesus Lead?" is with Graham in concept edit mode, going to more edit next week. The whole book is built around this idea of leaders finding new places and new spaces to lead.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Len sends along Alan Roxburgh's following proposal concerning leadership: The primary work of leadership is to continually stand in the place (space) where it is compelled to ask the question of what God is about among this group of people who comprise this local church in this specific context at this particular time. Obviously, this definition is thoroughly conditioned by a larger story we describe as Missio Dei.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What is particularly helpful to me about this definition is this concept of "space."&lt;br /&gt;Roxburgh writes,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"This descriptor of leadership suggests that one of its primary metaphors is spatial. Leadership functions in a certain kind of space rather than out of a set of definitions, formulae or assumed Biblical types. The understanding of this special metaphor is crucial for the formation and practices of a missional leadership. Without attention to this matter of the space in which leadership dwells, it is impossible to understand or shape a missional leadership in our late modern context. The questions we need to ask about being missional, therefore, are not drawn from the world of business or the social sciences, nor are they about how to apply supposed New Testament patterns to the contemporary church. Questions about what God is up to in the world require us to ask what kind of space church leadership must indwell at this moment in late modern societies. If leadership indwells this axis of God's activities in the world and the local context, then its primary location is in what we will call the "spaces between." The basic metaphor describing and assessing Christian leadership is spatial - it is about indwelling a space between." http://archives.allelon.org/articles/article.cfm?id=960&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Liminal Place and Space&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Liminality" is from the Latin word līmen, meaning "a barely perceptible threshold," or a place in between two worlds, or a place of transition. It is a mysterious place, a bridge place, and a unique place of balance between the people you are leading and the God you are both following. It is destined to be more of a prophetic place than a pastoral place and definitely more of an obscure place than an obvious one.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is a strategic cooperation with what God is telling those you lead and what God is telling you. It is in this new tutoring place that we act, as a guide and a coach, a fellow traveler on the same journey without become the focal point of the excursion. It is so mysterious the Irish used to say, "It is the place between the foam and the sea."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The questions we need to ask about being missional, therefore, are not drawn from the world of business or the social sciences, nor are they about how to apply supposed New Testament patterns to the contemporary church. Questions about what God is up to in the world require us to ask what kind of space church leadership must indwell at this moment in late modern societies. If leadership indwells this axis of God's activities in the world and the local context, then its primary location is in what we will call the "spaces between."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It asks the big question. Is your leadership style all about you and your ministry and what you get from leading? Or it is about serving those you lead, helping to get them going on the God journey they are destined to trek?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Next Generations of Leaders&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The hunger most evident in the next generation is for fathers and mothers, not even close friends. Fathers and mothers that will forego their own controlling preoccupations with how things used to be done, giving space to their willingness to enter into the experiment, stepping off the map to go where God might lead the next generation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A relationship is required, but a script is not. Times of resting, times waiting in prayer and times of silence represent more of this new adventure than the exhausting attempts at pre-research to make sure every step is sure-footed. Like mountain goats, the instinct of where to step and where to go comes in the moment, and not the pre-planned staff meetings. It is a journey with forward movement at its goal, and not just another dress rehearsal that ends in disappointment.&lt;br /&gt;So, find those you are called to lead, especially the leaders you are called to rise up. This time don't over-lead or over-feed. Get into the journey with them, and see how God will use you both. He will use your tested experience and obedience and as well will turn up the pace as He capitalizes on the speed of the younger leaders you are running with. It is a new pace, not tried; it is a new direction, not learned. It is the excitement of a new trip for both of you.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Some Ideas On Learning To Lead In This New Place&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.    Ask God who are the specific ones in the next generation you are to come alongside.&lt;br /&gt;2.    Don't spend too much time referring to the past, make it clear where you come from, but get quickly to what God is doing now.&lt;br /&gt;3.    Listen a lot. Both to God and them.&lt;br /&gt;4.    Do some treasure hunting to see if the one you are to coach and lead has a sense of gifting, destiny and passion. Ask a lot of questions.&lt;br /&gt;5.    Does the one you are leading already have a sense of footprints and knows where to go?&lt;br /&gt;6.    Begin with times of prayer, silence, listening to God, writing down what the Father whispers, and doing prophetic acts.&lt;br /&gt;7.    Always be reminded that this is a divine appointment. Don't worry about quick fruit, enjoy the whole process.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4292515827283096802-3323052888835192650?l=garygoodell.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://garygoodell.blogspot.com/feeds/3323052888835192650/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4292515827283096802&amp;postID=3323052888835192650' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4292515827283096802/posts/default/3323052888835192650'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4292515827283096802/posts/default/3323052888835192650'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://garygoodell.blogspot.com/2009/06/liminal-leadership.html' title='Liminal Leadership'/><author><name>Permission is Given...</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17682724668784048485</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-6kZqm2Baf8/Sb7-2SnHk0I/AAAAAAAAABQ/eCxDQ-VJrTM/S220/garyhat.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4292515827283096802.post-6550836277694686004</id><published>2009-06-01T11:51:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-06-01T11:52:37.497-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Chicken-Little Christianity</title><content type='html'>I am asked a lot about the end times. Everything from where is the United States in prophecy, to is Obama the antichrist? To answer most of the questions requires little effort. I personally have never found the United States listed as a specific nation in the Bible, and quite frankly, concerning the antichrist, they said the same thing about Khrushchev and Kissinger.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The real issue for me has more to do with the fact, “Are we ready for His coming?” One of the most penetrating questions I believe that Jesus ever asked in found in the Parable of the Persistent Prayer in Luke 18, when He asks, “nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Don’t quote me, because I don’t think I am a prophet, but I do wonder about that question in Luke, and several others that point to our readiness rather than Christ’s. In fact these are what I pray about and what I wrestle with these days. “Is the bride ready, is she spotless, is she ready.” And, “Are we more anxious to get out of here or to see revival before He comes.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will never forget what a friend said to me many years ago, when he challenged me by asking, “How can you disciple a planet you are so intent on leaving?” That one rattled my cage and shifted my paradigm then, and still does.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have always heard that Christ would return when man would be in the process of destroying himself. I can honestly say it sure feels like that is happening most of the time. But on the other hand I have never felt such open doors and such clear invitations from the Holy Spirit to be bold about the proclamation of the Gospel and the discipleship of the nations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sure times are tough. And as Americans, we have never seen things exactly as they seem right now. But to the world, all of these shakings seem to mean something different.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Muslim Ministry&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Having just returned from parts of Asia that are becoming, if not already extremely Muslim, instead of feeling oppressed and overwhelmed, I felt so empowered, so impassioned and prayer-filled to preach, proclaim and persist in my faith in Yahweh, not Allah, and to be ready to “give an answer for the hope that lies with me.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In Kota Kinabalu, East Malaysia, which is a Muslim nation, I heard the voice of Islam, loud and clear. The mosques, that seemed as big as the mega churches in America, broadcast their calls to pray five times a day on their speaker systems. It was so loud it sounded like my neighbor’s stereo in Ocean beach where I live.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet, I also met so many Christians who know of Muslims that are coming to faith in Christ, and I even heard this one radical statement from one brother, “imagine the harnessed prayer power when revival comes to their nation, and the followers of Islam come to God and pray to Him using their disciplines of prayer, in their prayer centers currently known as mosques.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Chicken-Little Christians&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems like too many of us are waiting for the worst to happen as a prerequisite for the return of Christ. Waiting for more “doom and gloom,” and the proverbial “boot to drop,” we seem to be anxious for everything to fall apart as some kind of deeper motivation to make Christ come back.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maybe there is another way to expedite the return of Christ. Matthew 24:14 states, “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There it is! Let’s worry more about getting the message out, rather than hoping the mess we are in will get messier. Let’s throw ourselves into the preaching of this incredible message of the kingdom. Let’s commit to take the gospel to every man, to every people, to every tribe, to every tongue, and to every nation, and then Christ will return.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4292515827283096802-6550836277694686004?l=garygoodell.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://garygoodell.blogspot.com/feeds/6550836277694686004/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4292515827283096802&amp;postID=6550836277694686004' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4292515827283096802/posts/default/6550836277694686004'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4292515827283096802/posts/default/6550836277694686004'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://garygoodell.blogspot.com/2009/06/chicken-little-christianity.html' title='Chicken-Little Christianity'/><author><name>Permission is Given...</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17682724668784048485</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-6kZqm2Baf8/Sb7-2SnHk0I/AAAAAAAAABQ/eCxDQ-VJrTM/S220/garyhat.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4292515827283096802.post-7385301773473968951</id><published>2009-05-23T12:07:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-05-23T12:12:11.364-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Dead Bread</title><content type='html'>“When the waitress came to take our order. One of my friends, when asked what kind of dressing he wanted on his salad, abruptly stated to the startled server, “And I don’t want any ‘dead bread’ on my salad.” After letting the comment sink in, the sweet but stunned girl replied, “Oh, you mean croutons!” To which my friend simply nodded in confirmation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That analogy has stuck with me all these years, and I remember it every time I order a salad that comes with “dead bread.” I actually don’t mind croutons that much, and have even purchased a bag when passing through the salad isle at the supermarket. There are so many flavors now: herb, parmesan, bacon-ranch, etc; all so conveniently located that I just reach out and take them as I pass by while filling my cart.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, when applying my friend’s unflattering adjective to preaching, my heart is stirred over a phenomenon, which has gripped America’s pulpits in recent years.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I recall opening my mail one morning some years ago and reading my first advertisement for “dead bread”:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Pastors, are you too busy to spend hours of preparation on your sermons? Tired of feeling the stress of having to come up with original ideas week after week? If so, for just $199.95 you can have 52 weeks of quality sermons crafted by homiletical masters, complete with illustrations! Your congregation is guaranteed to be thrilled with the results or your money back!””&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;CROUTON CHRISTIANITY&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As you know, in Third Day we have felt and discussed this pain about “dead bread,” for years, maybe because I spent so many years thinking it was my job to feed others, to sermonize every week, sometimes several times per week.  I do know that for most of those years I took my study and research too seriously.  For over three decades as a teaching pastor, I became a well-oiled vendor at dispensing “dead bread.” It was even said back then, that any true handling of the Scriptures or honest preparation meant an hour of study for every one-minute of delivery of the sermon in the pulpit. By the time you had studied, researched, word-smithed, digested, and then double-digested the message you didn’t even know that the bread you were getting ready to serve up was such simply” dead” information that it produced little or now nutritional value.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Obviously, I still get chances to speak, teach, recant, rant, cajole, whatever, a lot in different places all over the world. But the thing that has changed in me, rather than my need to impress or “WOW the crowd,” with my anointed knowledge and teaching. I would really rather just genuinely connect with people, exposing them to my passion for a personal God, and hopefully stir their own personal appetite for them to go after Him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For you guys who still teach on a regular basis, this is a subtle shift. First, please don’t take yourself or your gifts too seriously. Please handle all of your sermons and all of your preparation lightly or loosely. Keep in mind at all time, God may just have surprises and suddenlies for any meeting you might have called.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Quite frankly, by the time your group gets to your study or your service, they have already tasted the best.  They have read the latest Charisma Magazine, the last top two best sellers from Destiny Image Publishing, have read The Shack and have listened to the last three podcasts from Bethel on their iPod.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That may not be a totally bad thing.  Maybe their increased appetite for God has stirred them to consume all of that stuff.  But it is just a matter of time, until they will get dissatisfied with the stale “day old manna” dispensed by others and want some of their own “fresh bread,” from the Father. And when that happens watch out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Getting into a life of solitude with God without any religious props will ruin you for any one else’s food.  Even as Israel was warned to not even try to keep a “crumb” of manna until tomorrow, God continues to promise us daily “fresh bread.” The late Henri Nouwen emphasized most of his life that we will never have true community until we first settle the issue of solitude and develop our own secret life with the Lord.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;VISITATION OR HABITATION&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think what the Father is pursuing in His people these days is the revelation that their life in God is to be a habitation. Psalm 91:1, “He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High, shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.”  The word “abide” there means to spend the night, or as The Message says it, “spend the night in Shaddai’s shadow.” In the NT, in John 15:7, “If you abide in Me, and my words abide in you, you shall ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.” And of course the word “abide” there means to live, to dwell indefinitely.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, we no longer, “go do” devotions, anymore that we “go to meetings.” We enter into a life style of delightful communion and connection with our Heavenly Father. For years we  “conference junkies,” were caught going from meeting to meeting to find the newest thing, when all along He was offering us “fresh manna,” spoon-fed to our needs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I even knew of families who packed up everything and “moved” across the state and/or the nation in an attempt to position themselves where “God is moving,” or where they had heard a prediction, or prophecy that “He would soon be there.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If it is time for anything, when everything is shaking, it is time to hotly pursue the face of God, and when heaven touches earth, we will not only want to spend time in His presence, it will become even become your “magnificent obsession,” and your “dangerous delight.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;MENTORING THE MESSAGE&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am involved in a several small groups in San Diego, and currently help facilitate a men’s mutual mentoring type group. What I am enjoying is the whole process of simply getting the guys to talk, releasing them and coaching them to openly discuss their journey with fellow travelers. So refreshing and so exciting is to witness when they even surprise themselves by what comes out of their mouths, such great insights and revelations and wisdom.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I find these kinds of settings do several things. When people are allowed and encouraged to openly share, they discover the treasure that is within all of them. Again, this is a deep process of self-enrichment when you are sharing a message with others and feel like you really have connected with the group and God and receive the amazing pleasure that comes from that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When people are in gatherings where they can openly share, they also get encouraged to steward their own gardens or reservoirs more diligently, in order to get more, so they can give more. And then of course, the wisdom pools that are created as several people unpackage a Scripture or a concept, rather than all of the insight coming from one or a few individuals. It is literally stuff to write about.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the best ways to mentor this message that God wants to spend time with us, speaks to us and communes with us, it to keep facilitating these open “third day” meetings, where the DNA is about the potential, participatory “priesthood of all the believers.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;DAVID’S DETERMINATION&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are all getting the same passion David had for a habitation of God. “O God, remember David, remember all his troubles! And remember how he promised God, made a vow to the Strong God of Jacob, “I’m not going home, and I’m not going to be, I’m not going to sleep, not even take time to rest, until I find a home for God, a house for the strong God of Jacob,” (Psalm 132:1 – 5, The Message).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Where do you think He lives? What are you building Him? Let me pass along some thoughts from another Third Day brother, Brad Nelson in Oakhurst, CA:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“In Him, we live and move and have our being.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We actually exist in Him. When we invite someone to meet Jesus we are inviting him or her to consider living in Him. This makes more practical sense than inviting Him into our Hearts. We are not inviting them into an organization or into the ministry of someone.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Buildings are made of stone cannot exist within Him. Corporate institutions and man made organizations cannot exist within Him. Living stones are the only structures that can exist within Him. Our membership in Him is direct and real. We get to know Him and not about Him. Because knowing Him, "is" to know about Him. Jesus said to His followers I do not have a place. That is because He is the place.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;IN THESE TOUGH TIMES&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Making a commitment to follow Jesus is a lot like the commitment we make when we enter into marriage, it is the commitment we signed up for when we said our vows. And when the going gets tough, sometimes just remembering the vows is the only things that keeps you going.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My second book, “Where Would Jesus Lead?” is at the publishers. Pray all goes well for an edit deadline and the publishing of the book. Also, the next book, “Welcome Home: Church as a Way of Life,” is being pieced together through a cooperative effort of some of my old mentors and what we wrote through the years about the church as a family and a “way” of life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am committed to "buy up my time" in these all important days and keep looking for and living off of "fresh bread."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Gary Goodell&lt;br /&gt;May 2009&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4292515827283096802-7385301773473968951?l=garygoodell.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://garygoodell.blogspot.com/feeds/7385301773473968951/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4292515827283096802&amp;postID=7385301773473968951' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4292515827283096802/posts/default/7385301773473968951'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4292515827283096802/posts/default/7385301773473968951'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://garygoodell.blogspot.com/2009/05/dead-bread.html' title='Dead Bread'/><author><name>Permission is Given...</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17682724668784048485</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-6kZqm2Baf8/Sb7-2SnHk0I/AAAAAAAAABQ/eCxDQ-VJrTM/S220/garyhat.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4292515827283096802.post-4517046386445355284</id><published>2008-04-24T11:48:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2008-08-11T15:29:28.813-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Could Christianity Survive Without the Bible?</title><content type='html'>72 say &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;No&lt;/span&gt; 81 say &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Yes&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here are just a few of the comments I will provide more who say yes and more who say no in future posts...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The following are not necessarily my views, but they are reprinted here, to give you a chance to comment and add your views to the question.  Could Christianity survive with the Bible?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A better question might be from my perspective is "Would the congregation you attend survive if you no longer had a church building? You are welcome to comment below on either or both questions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;No by  Norma Budden&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Christianity could never survive without the Bible. Christianity is based on Christ and the only place we read His story is in the Bible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Today, while there are a multitude of denominations claiming Christianity, there is one common denominator between them: the Holy Bible. While people may interpret parts of Scripture differently than another, there are several statements which cannot be interpreted in any other way than as they are stated.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For example, the Bible states that, while good works are important, they will not grant us eternal life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Unbelievers know how to treat people with respect. They help people who are facing a crisis, they  donate to charities, they are hard-working, dependable, and honest people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In summary, they can be all around "good" people but, unless they choose to follow Christ, Heaven will not be their final destination.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If the Bible was removed from the human race, good works may still abound for a while but, without having the knowledge of Someone watching over us, whether we do good or ill, how long do you suppose those "good works" would be in practice?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Humans need a guiding force to help them through the various situations they find themselves in. They struggle and sweat and basically need Someone more powerful than they are; Someone who can see what lies ahead and guide them in making the best decisions for their lives. Humans need Some one to share with. When times are bad, they need Someone to lean on (in secret, sometimes, so their sense of pride can remain in tact.) When times are great, they want to share with someone who understands just how they feel; how much they've sacrificed to get to a certain point, and the person standing next to them may not always fit the bill.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If the Bible was removed from society, Christ would be removed and, without Christ, there is no Christianity. Christ is already being eradicated from many schools and work place environments. Students and workers are not allowed to bring up His name and it's tragic because now we deal with the chain of events which has ensued: children bringing drugs and weapons to school while those around them live in fear, and workers cheating and killing their co-workers, to name only a few consequences.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When we turn on the news, regardless of the network or station, we receive so much bad news because people have gotten away from what is important to a moral existence: they've gotten away from the Christ-child and the Bible is still the number one selling book in the world. Imagine if it went out of production! Fear, pain, heartache, sorrow, sickness, and disease would abound like never before. There would be no faith, no hope, no joy and no reason for triumph. No one would want to live on the Earth ever again because, in essence, it would be a living Hell.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Yes by Ebey Soman&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;The Bible is the word of God. From the very Beginning God was here, before earth, moon and the stars. In John Chapter one, verse one it says "In the Beginning was the word and the world was with God and the Word was God." Thus it is impossible for the Bible to completely disappear from Earth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Before the Bible as we know it was compiled, The "word of God" existed in the hearts and minds of the people. Abraham did not have the Bible, yet he was able to find God. So was all the patriarchs and the people that lived on this planet before the&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Yes by Priscilla Cruz&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My teacher told me that we read the bible because it is food for our souls and that it keeps us close to God and I believe her. Christians need to constantly feed their souls by ready the bible; it helps them grow and better understand God's work and plans. I personally read the bible when I feel alone and need to hear or feel God's presents. When you read the bible it is like being close to God; it is our door way to communicate with God and yes Christians need that or we will be lost. The bible gives christians us guidance from God; he had his followers write this book for us to refer to and study so that we will survve this world&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Yes by Melissa Fineout&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course Christianity could survive without the bible. Lets face it, most Christians today do not even read the bible. When a Christian does read a bible, oftentimes it is because a pastor or priest told them to, or it's the pastor doing it himself. Furthermore, the words of the bible have been skewed so many times by so many people that they hardly matter anymore-Unless of course you are running for presidency. Also, most Christians that read the bible these days are doing it to write their own Christian books, and if that is so, Christians could read those, more interesting books instead of the Bible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Christianity could indeed survive without the Bible, it already does!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ok, reader "What do you think?"&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4292515827283096802-4517046386445355284?l=garygoodell.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://garygoodell.blogspot.com/feeds/4517046386445355284/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4292515827283096802&amp;postID=4517046386445355284' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4292515827283096802/posts/default/4517046386445355284'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4292515827283096802/posts/default/4517046386445355284'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://garygoodell.blogspot.com/2008/04/could-christianity-survive-without.html' title='Could Christianity Survive Without the Bible?'/><author><name>Permission is Given...</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17682724668784048485</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='24' height='32' src='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-6kZqm2Baf8/Sb7-2SnHk0I/AAAAAAAAABQ/eCxDQ-VJrTM/S220/garyhat.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry></feed>
